2026-10-30 19:42 UTC
Replies (17)
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@mannycalavera@feddit.uk 2026-10-30 20:13
“Right now, everything seems consistent with it being damage control,” they said. Oh dear. What’s the consensus on a replacement for Proton?
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@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2026-10-30 19:57
He has to go and the Proton workers have to form a union.
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@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 2026-10-30 20:18
Proton has always giving me the ick, but at this point I think 99% of it is Yen.
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@ColdWater@lemmy.ca 2026-10-31 03:47
Proton has always been very sketchy to me even when I first heard about it, glad I’m stick to that idea and never jump on the bandwagon
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@Magnum@infosec.pub 2026-10-31 03:49
Cancelled my subscription too.
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@kinkles@sh.itjust.works 2026-10-30 20:02
I like to think my plan cancellation last night helped. Now they gotta oust the CEO.
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@TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 2026-10-30 19:45
It will be impossible to trust this company again until Yen and the rest of the C-suite resign.
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@hanke@feddit.nu 2026-10-30 22:50
In one exchange, an employee in the company’s security Slack channel urged Proton to at least take a few days to pentest newly written code before pushing it live. “That’s bullshit and loser thinking. Of course it’s possible to be fast and secure,” Yen wrote in the channel at the end of August. “Stop thinking always of how to be slower, and focus more on how to be faster.” Yen added, “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.” Yikes, this Yen guy seems really charming
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@panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2026-10-30 20:35
This guy sounds so fucking emotionally fragile and immature. Wahhh go faster, wahhh make me more money! When you foment a toxic workplace like this, the good employees leave and you get fucked, especially in a security conscious space like this. Can you use AI to improve security? Yes. It’s objectively very good at finding holes, which is exactly what you want. But when you call your employees losers and tell them they need to be faster, and whatever the fuck an AI “re-interview is”, well you can get bent.
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@BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 00:52
Glad I hesitated moving over completely from Google to Proton services, time to purge them completely
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@capital5@discuss.tchncs.de 2026-11-01 07:20
Please remember something very important everyone: The company may have changed its policy, but the company that made the policy hasn’t changed. The people that made the bad decisions are still in charge, and the priorities that made them make that decision are still the same. They haven’t changed. This is relevant not just for Proton, but about every time company pretends to step back from a bad decision.
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@anarchy79@lemmy.world 2026-10-31 23:18
So what does that mean going forward? Going forward, I’m still going to push,” he added. So going forward, I mean to be going forward.
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@adhdsergio@lemmy.world 2026-11-01 08:14
I mean the best way to make them understand is to comply with their vision to the point where you make them eat their words. If i was a proton employee i would vibe code the shit out of everything until they’ve got a security breach every day. Just saying
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@someone@lemmy.today 2026-10-31 08:58
I sort of get where he is coming from. AI has made shockingly fast rapid advances in being able to code. AI code should definitely be pentested, even if it’s just with more AI. There are many developers and tech privacy enthusiasts who hate AI coding for whatever reason, and I get his perspective. He just isn’t being very strategic because he’s acting like a normal CEO and not caring that much about emotional impact because he’s in a leadership position, forgetting that a privacy-focused user base will not tolerate typical CEO behavior. I already have real fears regarding Proton. What sort of privacy company doesn’t accept Monero??? What sort of privacy company uses US-based Zendesk which could be required to cooperate with a police state with a secret dragnet warrant??? Proton has a very active fraud/abuse detection system. Even if it is necessary, how could that be technically possible if messages are encrypted??? But we should also remember that if you are a poor person in a repressed regime, you can get free Proton services to help get you more access to information. They are very nice about that. Who made that choice so that a poor person in a poor country can get these services for free if they are poor? Andy Yen made that decision. People make mistakes and if Andy Yen realizes he needs to be more emotionally intelligent and aware and tries to change, perhaps people should be willing to forgive him. Proton does a lot of good overall despite recent concerning behavior. I will also add that it’s concerning that their AI Lumo is integrated into so much potentially and it’s not clear where the processing occurs, if the processing itself is encrypted during the processing, and what models are used. For example, if Lumo is using US-based company data centers in the US and the model has to be given unencrypted data to process, then in theory if there’s a gag-order demand on the data center, all of that information can be extracted. I see very little information about that, which is concerning.
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@SethTaylor@lemmy.world 2026-11-01 08:40
I’ve been slow to transition away from Google products but I gotta say… to make an effort to ditch Google and then have THIS happen to you? I feel bad for those people. I really do…
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@Ascend910@lemmy.ml 2026-11-01 08:45
ready to move my entire family once again to secria. hopefully it won’t implode right away after the switch
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@topperharlie@lemmy.world 2026-11-01 11:01
Anyone that unironically uses the word “loser” to try to motivate a policy by mocking the opposite, is not mature or responsible enough to be in a position of power. Also, mocking instead of giving technical reasons only happens when you are not right but want to win the argument anyway. So yeah, he just outed himself as not fit for any manager position, worst of all a CEO. People saying they will go back if he steps down, I think this kind of is a wake up call on the company using privacy not seriously but as a marketing gimmick. I would stay away from them. Surprise surprise, another YouTube advertised product that is shit…