@Melezioh@mstdn.games nah you're good i just wanted to specifically respond to the "real life solutions that can happen" thing since it gave me an excuse to dump a whole bunch of stuff I've been thinking about that I think would be good and also that are doable by politicians specifically, since i assumed that was what that bit was about i should clarify tho that when I said "make them lose the primaries", I did specifically mean the primaries and not necessarily the actual election. I'm still not coming down either way on voting blue vs voting green/nothing. and also, if we do pursue the "voting out insufficient dems" strategy, we should probably come up with a concrete list of criteria for what a candidate should do, stick to it, and actually publicize it and talk about it in order for it to be effective (unions could probably help a lot with that) as for grand overall strategies, i'm afraid my own picture isn't much clearer than yours (and honestly is probably less clear in at least a few ways). i honestly don't really see how any of this will change for the better without some tectonic shift in the political landscape, like a change in the liberal party's leadership, the collapse of the fascist party (not too far-fetched tbh), the rise of an actually viable progressive party, or something really risky like a constitutional convention or the dissolution of the Union (and I'm absolutely skeptical of accelerationism)