@mu Isn't that a bit like judging the national mood by looking at comments threads on news articles? I haven't engaged with the slack much myself, but libertarian assholes will always try to flood online forums to create the impression that their views are the norm. They're specifically targeting InternetNZ, and the people doing worthwhile stuff have less time to engage in stupid debates from untenable premises. Wasting the time of people who are trying to do good work is a deliberate tactic. That may mean it's no longer a good place to find your people, and if the slack sucks, so be it. But I wouldn't let that stop you turning up at the AGM and voting against right-wing candidates and constitutional amendments. They have more money and more time on their hands, so they can use these tactics. But they don't control the organisation yet, and we can turn up at the right time to prevent that.